In this episode, we talk to Joy Aumann, private client network partner at Compass in San Diego, about Clubhouse, the audio-only, invite-only live networking app that has been on a steep growth trajectory this year. Aumann describes Clubhouse as “a mashup of social media influencers, marketing and coaching professionals, podcast, webinars and thought leaders.” Should you join? Is it worth it?
Here’s what Aumann shared:
- The residential real estate rooms in Clubhouse have exploded recently, with a huge community of agents on the platform;
- How to get started on Clubhouse, even without an invite;
- How to make your Clubhouse profile stand out;
- How Clubhouse can make your other social media platforms grow;
- The different types of rooms in Clubhouse;
- How to find people to follow in Clubhouse;
- How to get on stage;
- Why pitching is a no-no in Clubhouse;
- Why Clubhouse is a good fit if you’re camera shy or not into creating polished video or photos;
- How she has gotten referrals from Clubhouse;
- Why audio-only content can be more intimate than video.
Links mentioned:
- TurboScan
- Snoo
- Joy Aumann on Clubhouse: @SanDiegoLuxury
- Joy Aumann on Instagram
- Joy Aumann blog post on Clubhouse
- Luxurysocalrealty.com
You can listen to this episode here, on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Gayle Weiswasser:
Welcome to the Homesnap Snapshot, a podcast about digital marketing for real estate agents. Each episode, we talk to agents just like you, who are successfully using some type of digital marketing to build their brand. When it’s over, you’ll walk away with concrete ideas that you can use in your own marketing to help grow your business. Today’s guest on The Snapshot is Joy Aumann, who is a private client network partner at Compass in San Diego. Joy, welcome to the show.
Joy Aumann:
Hi Gayle. Thank you for having me.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Thanks for being here. This is an exciting week for Compass Isn’t.
Joy Aumann:
Yes, it is.
Gayle Weiswasser:
I’ll date stamp this episode. I’ve been doing this since the pandemic started because the world changes so fast and sometimes I record something and then, you know, weeks later it seems already outdated. So, we are talking on Friday, April the second, and Compass has just gone public. So that’s what I am referring to. So, I’m sure it was an exciting day, exciting week to be part of the Compass family. Tell us a little bit about you and where you live and what you do.
Joy Aumann:
I run a team here in San Diego. I live in office, simple Coya right down here by the water. And we’ve got a team of four run by my husband and myself.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Nice. Okay. We’re going to talk about Clubhouse today. This is the first Clubhouse related episode that we’ve done and given the intense popularity of Clubhouse, it seems like I’m already late to the party on this one to be talking about it on the show. For people who are wondering what Clubhouse is, why don’t you give us a little bit of background on what Clubhouse is and how you got involved.
Joy Aumann:
So, Clubhouse is the newest social media network, and it’s based on voice only. So users don’t have the availability to post video updates, and there are no in-app direct messaging, so there’s no edit or do over if you’re on stage and you say something it’s out there, the hype is based on FOMO because it’s invite only right now. So right now it’s for iOS users only, and the content is all live. If you aren’t in the room, when something goes down, you miss it. For example, like a person, a famous person randomly entering your room. And it’s best described as a mashup of social media influencers, marketing of coaching professionals, podcasts, webinars, and thought leaders.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Okay. So important things to note from that audio only, it’s also invite only, and it’s iOS only at this point. So, it’s, you know, definitely it’s got a, uh, an aura of exclusivity around it based on those three things and –
Joy Aumann:
It’s still at the ground floor. So there’s still opportunity to jump in there and be one of the first, you know, I think there were probably at like 20 million right now. They were at 10 million, about three weeks ago, they were growing exponentially for users.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Absolutely. So this is a nascent platform that has lots and lots of potential to it. Okay. So tell us about how you got started. I believe that when you go on Clubhouse, you can usually see how somebody initially came in. And I think that if I’m not mistaken, I think that you initially came into Clubhouse via someone who’s actually already been on our show before. So why don’t you talk about that a little bit.
Joy Aumann:
How I first got started, I was on Facebook, and I heard about Clubhouse and one of those Russell Brunson’s ClickFunnels rooms, and she was actually a coach talking about how wonderful Clubhouse was. So I joined and at the time I did not have an invite. We’ll talk about invites later on, but if you don’t have an invite, someone else that has you in their phone as a contact can wave you in. So that’s kind of how I got started. And then prior to mid-December, most of the rooms were investors and commercial talks as far as real estate, there weren’t any residential real estate rooms. And then literally overnight, the residential real estate rooms have like exploded. And there’s just a huge, huge community of realty agents on there right now, both in residential and commercial. That’s how I first got started because just because you signed up for Clubhouse, so that’s a long ways to go. So I approached two agents on Instagram with really big following and said, Hey, you guys, we need to do this. And they’re like, well, what’s Clubhouse. And I said, okay, just sign up and we’ll get going. So we were the moderators for the very first luxury real estate rooms running twice a week. That started the first week of January.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Nice. Okay. So you got in there found a void of content that was missing and, and basically created it, provided it. So let’s talk a little bit about that process of invite only. So you said you got in there without an invite. Explain how you did that. And then also the process of being invited.
Joy Aumann:
So today it’s invite only for iOS users, but Clubhouse last Sunday stated that it will be open to Android users in May. So if you don’t have an invite, now you can download the app, go in and reserve the username. And then you’re gonna be put on a wait list or requires an invite from one of your friends or contacts. So another workaround is if you know someone that’s on a platform, but they’re out of invites. You want to make sure they have you saved in their phone as a contact. And then once you go on the platform and sign up, they’ll be pinged by Clubhouse. And that’s how I, I was advised on the system and asked if they’d like to allow you in or waved in. But the challenge is that that person is now going to be permanently shown on your profiles as nominated by.
Joy Aumann:
So, you do want to make sure you want to be permanently connected to that person, especially if it’s like a relationship that you’re not permanently sure of. Completing your profile is like super important to your live talk opportunities. And your profile are the only way to explain who you are. Do you want to make sure your photo is close to their face – You want it to be light and bright, and then some users have even gone a step further and remove the background of the photo and replaced it with like a really bright color, red, pink, purple. And then when you go up on stage or you’re speaking, your profile really pops and users are more likely to click through and learn more about you. Especially if you’re stuck down in the audience, people tend to look around when they’re in the audience and your profile is going to stand out.
Joy Aumann:
Another thing about profiles, the first two lines of where you want to note your location and anything significant you’ve accomplished, and the location can be done with a pin drop emoji. He’s going to put your city state and the abbreviation for your state. And this helps you rank when a Clubhouse user searches for anyone in your city state, as you search San Diego, you’re going to see I’m one of the top people in San Diego in the app because of that pin. And then you also have to make sure your Twitter and your Instagram are connected because without at least one of those connected, most moderators, including myself, are not going to allow you up on stage. And one of the reasons for that, and if you don’t have a profile photo, that’s the other thing. And one of the reasons for that, it’s just like anything else, people with bad intentions go on there. We call them trolls. They make fake accounts. They try to get brought up on stage and then they bombed the stage. So, we’re very cognizant of that because it can really change the energy in the room. So, we really try to watch for that.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Interesting. Okay. So, get your profile filled out, link to your Twitter or your Instagram, put a photo and be as descriptive as possible in that very top little section so that people can get a quick look at your presence within Clubhouse. Because, you know, just to note, Clubhouse is an app. So you’re necessarily looking at this on a phone. So it’s a small screen. There’s not a lot of real estate there for people to, you know, have big, long profiles. They’re going to want to glance right at it and get a sense of who you are.
Joy Aumann:
The first two lines are, who are you? Where are you? And why should I care? That’s essentially what you want to think about when you’re creating those two lines. Because the, for example, we’ll talk about Clubs later on, but when you’re listed as a Club Member, those first two lines are what show when someone joins the Club and that’s what might compel them to look at your profile, follow you, or we talked about that Instagram and Twitter, the other reasons you want those connected, those, the only way someone can DM you once you’re on stage. And they like what you had to say, they can message you either on Twitter or Instagram. And then your following will also grow. If you’re very active on the platform, people will naturally follow you on Instagram. So, there’s people that literally had no Instagram following and have blown up on Instagram, thanks to their Clubhouse.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Oh, wow. Interesting. So, the platforms sort of reinforce each other and people may discover you in one place and then follow you elsewhere and vice versa.
Joy Aumann:
Yeah, absolutely.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Okay. So, there’s different types of rooms within Clubhouse. That’s how Clubhouse is organized and there’s different kinds of formats. And you know, the diff – the way the rooms are set up, will mandate, who’s allowed to go into those rooms. Can you take us through those different categories and explain what one might encounter when they get onto Clubhouse?
Joy Aumann:
So, when you first open the app, you’ll see a curated list of rooms in what we call the Hallway. And that list of rooms is based on the people and the Clubs that you follow. So, if you don’t follow very many people, you’re only going to have maybe five or six rooms available for you to pop into. Another thing to note, when you first sign up with your account, Clubhouse is going to prompt you to follow a handful of accounts. Usually it’s the top, most followed people on a platform, but it’s really a better idea to bypass this and go up to the search bar. And then you can search people or, and search Clubs and follow interests, Clubs that are interested in things that you’re interested in. So maybe it’s entrepreneurship, maybe it’s real estate, maybe it’s health and wellness, something like that. And then you’re going to be following things that are actually of interest to you, not just like this huge list of random people that you don’t even know who most of them are. They just happen to be Clubhouse influencers. And, and you also want to follow people that hold rooms and moderate rooms. So just because a couple of agents in your area that, you know, by name followed you, it doesn’t necessarily mean you want to follow them back. If they’re not holding rooms and moderating, you really want to kind of hold your following list real tight to people that are of really good interests, because that’s how those rooms are populated for you. So down at the bottom of the app, anyone can randomly start a room, but for new users who don’t have a lot of following, I recommend getting six to eight Clubhouse users together to start a room or going off app like I did and going to someone who’s popular on Facebook or popular on Instagram, or maybe it’s YouTube and then planning something. I always want it to suggest you put it on the calendar because the calendar allows other users to find your scheduled program in advance and it can help drive more users to your room. And then of course, if you’re promoting it on social media, that’s always the best practice too. So, once you were in a room, you’re going to have a stage and an audience and moderators are those in charge of the room and they’re going to have a little green bean underneath their profile photo. And those moderators have the power to bring people up on stage or put you back down off stage if you’re not conducting yourself right. Or just to manage the stage. Like a lot of times, once you’re done asking your question or speaking, we’re going to push you back on the stage to give others the opportunity to come up. Just, just to kind of keep the flow going.
Gayle Weiswasser:
And so, people in the audience can’t be heard, so you can see that they’re there and you can see their profiles and that they’re sitting in the audience, but they don’t, their mic is not open the way it is for the people who are speaking.
Joy Aumann:
Right. And so like, that’s practice too. How do you get up on stage? Like, like you’re a new user you’ve just gotten on, you’re sitting in an audience somewhere. How do you get on stage? How do you have those speaking opportunities? And then eventually gain a following and start moderating and have people follow you around Clubhouse because they want to come into your room whenever you’re on stage, because that’s eventually what can happen. The first thing you’d need to do is go into a room where you actually have either a question that you can come up with, a very good question. And we always know when someone’s coming up on stage and they ask, I guess we could just call it a dumb question, because they’re just trying to come up on stage. Sometimes they’re trying to slip in the brokerage that they’re working for that sort of thing. Pitching is like the absolute no, no on Clubhouse. Like if you pitch or start getting going down that route, like check out my website, not on my profile or anything like that, it’s just really not the right – It’s not the right thing to do. And everyone’s going to kind of look at you weird. So definitely want to make sure you’re coming up there asking integrous questions and, or contributing to the conversation, but you always want to be very respectful. You want to wait your turn because they’re usually going to call on you in the order that you’re standing up there. And sometimes on a bigger stage, you are going to be waiting there for over an hour waiting to have your turn to speak. And then another thing you should do is thank the people that brought you up on stage. It’s just kind of the thing to do, especially if you’re newer.
Gayle Weiswasser:
All right. So, tell us about the groups that you spend time within Clubhouse, whether you’re in the audience or whether you’re leading a discussion.
Joy Aumann:
Clubs on Clubhouse or like groups on Facebook. So, their interest space some are more active with weekly talks. Some have like three times a day. They’re having talks with different members and others are less active, but Club names right now, or like domain names were for the, for Google in the early two thousands. So, you have an idea for a Club, grab it now and worry about growing it and running it later so that you can lock that name in. It’s just like Facebook groups now, like if you wanted to start a Facebook group called Los Angeles Entrepreneurs, you’re late to the game and there’s probably 15 of those groups already running. So right now, is a good chance to grab that Club name. And I personally own and run that Luxury Real Estate Club, San Diego Business Club, and Blogging for Business. And again, all three of those were strategic reasons. Those are all three things that I have a strong interest in and I’m passionate about growing.
Gayle Weiswasser:
All right, let’s talk about your larger digital marketing strategy and how Clubhouse fits into it, or does it? I mean, is it, did you kind of do this on a whim and you wanted to see what it was like and you’re exploring, or are you actually using this in a way that’s fitting into your marketing goals?
Joy Aumann:
So, I’ve always been a big believer in doing one thing really, really well. And if you start out trying to be a boss on all social media – YouTube, LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, a lot of times you can end up running in circles and not gaining ground in any of the platforms. So, for me, Clubhouse became a natural fit because I am camera shy. I hate video. And you gain a following on Clubhouse based on how much, you know, and how much you share, not your dancing skills, how polished your photos and video are, or not even the content that you’re writing, you know, for those that are really good at storytelling. So that’s why Clubhouse has really been a good fit for me.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Nice. And what are you getting out of it?
Joy Aumann:
So, I use Clubhouse to grow my personal referral network. So, so far since let’s just say January 1st, I have personally gotten three real estate referrals. One was a $2 million purchase. In other words, a professional athlete, another, a more of a first-time home buyer. And then I’ve helped facilitate two referrals to other agents where I get nothing other than just, you know, do something nice for people. Sometimes it’ll come back to you. So definitely referrals are happening on the app. You know, I definitely know that by networking with the other people that you’re running stages and moderating with is a really good thing because you end up talking offline and sharing things. You know, I’ve gotten an updated team contract from someone that I met online. I’ve got a tip for hiring and a better portal to place my ads for hiring for my team. There’s been a lot of knowledge I’ve gotten off Clubhouse as well.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Interesting, okay. So, it sounds like a referral and education and just, just kind of general networking have all come out of your activities in Clubhouse. How long have you been on there?
Joy Aumann:
Absolutely. Since December 30th was the day I signed up.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Okay, so three months. Wow. That’s, you know, that’s pretty fast for ramping up on a new platform and already seeing so much benefit from it. That’s, that’s amazing.
Joy Aumann:
Well, I have a baby. It’s been a good three weeks of that three month.
Gayle Weiswasser:
And you’re also dealing with a newborn. Yeah. So that’s great, you’re also fitting this into a very busy life. I think that’s an interesting thing to talk about. This is it. Clubhouse is something you can dip in and out of, and you can use it, you know, obviously there’s some live conversations happening that you kind of have to plan around if you actually want to be part of them, but you know, you can do this when it works for you and you don’t, you can avoid it when it doesn’t, and it’s, it’s fitting into your extremely busy schedule and obviously, you know, still driving and bringing a lot of benefit to you. So do you think it also elevated your own profile as kind of an expert in lead generation or social media marketing or some other aspect of your professional life? Is that, is that another reason why people get in here?
Joy Aumann:
Yes. Once you become known and trusted on Clubhouse, you can be offered to admin other Clubs. So being an admin means you hold public facing rooms under that Club umbrella. And then when new users join that Club, they’re going to usually see you at the top two or three people, maybe up to those five or six people, depending on the Club, your profile. So, from here until forever, you’re always going to be kind of shown at the front of those Clubs. So, I’d been invited to admin on the largest entrepreneur Club on Clubhouse. There’s 13,000 plus members and followers called the Entrepreneur Club, the Crushing it in Real Estate Clubs. And then Zillow Killer is one of the most prominent residential real estate Clubs on Clubhouse.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Yup. I’ve definitely dipped in and out of that one as well.
Joy Aumann:
They’re talking a lot about lead gen and social media marketing in that, in that room.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Do you have any non-business-related interests that you follow through Clubhouse?
Joy Aumann:
I actually do. So there are some talks that have been held with Korean adoptees and adoptees in general. So, there are, there are other types of talks to be found on there that can really bring joy to your life. So definitely it doesn’t have to just be something that’s industry specific as I was so bent in some of the Asian rooms lately that have been speaking towards, you know, some of the things that have been going on in the community right now.
Gayle Weiswasser:
I can also see this probably some spaces for new moms. Like that could be another way that moms connect with, you know, babies and every, you know, that that space has gotten so vibrant on so many other social media platforms. I could see that spilling over quickly into Clubhouse as well.
Joy Aumann:
Yeah, there’s definitely some mompreneur groups on there. I’ve seen them.
Gayle Weiswasser:
How much time would you estimate you’re spending on Clubhouse each week?
Joy Aumann:
I would say just between two to five hours right now. And I primarily now spend my time moderating rooms. I don’t spend a lot of time in other people’s rooms. You know, the first one to two months, you definitely have to show up and become known and grow your following. And you’re definitely going to be more in the audience than on stage, unless you’re already famous once you’ve kind of made it on there. You tend to want to pick and choose your time. You use it the best way.
Gayle Weiswasser:
So, it sounds like you’re mostly connecting with other agents and other real estate professionals through Clubhouse. What about clients? Like, do you come across them or is it, are you really kind of surrounding yourself more with other practitioners?
Joy Aumann:
My very first client, I sold my first $3 million home to just showed up on Clubhouse this week and I let her in, you know, it came to me to let her in, but I haven’t seen any of my other clients on there yet. I think that if there’s still so much growth to go that’s why getting these Clubs started like San Diego Business Club, because there’s just so much future in front of us that just starting something out, even though there’s not that many. I mean, there’s probably two, 300 people on there, max from San Diego that are non-realtors. Maybe there’s more, but okay. Maybe there’s like a thousand, but there’s not that many people. And the, and the reason that’s hard to quantify is not everyone identifies themselves, San Diego, some people identify, they don’t even say where they’re from. They just sign up and say, I like coffee and that’s the end of that. So, you have no idea that they’re in San Diego.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Okay. So, let’s set aside Clubhouse for one second. And for your own digital marketing, what would you say is the platform that you use the most that you get the most value from?
Joy Aumann:
So, for me, it’s Google and search engine marketing. LuxurySoCalRealty.com is the number one real estate practice with Google page presence in San Diego County. And we have a growing audience of 20,000 plus organic monthly visitors.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Okay. So Google search engine marketing. What about anything with social media?
Joy Aumann:
I’ve got a very strong presence on both Instagram and Pinterest and I’ve; I use Twitter daily, but not extensively. I do at least one tweet a day, which isn’t really moving the needle much.
Gayle Weiswasser:
So does Clubhouse, do you consider Clubhouse has kind of part of your arsenal here or is it, is it sort of a separate thing for you?
Joy Aumann:
No, absolutely. It, it, it all goes full circle. I mean, I just was referred to a professional athlete. Now I’m in touch with his agent, his sports agent. So like you’re constantly meeting new people from one thing and then that’s going to start branching off into other things. So, Clubhouse is definitely a priority.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Nice. Okay. Good. All right. Well, any other kind of parting wisdom or advice for agents who might be listening to this and wondering whether it makes sense for them to try to jump in?
Joy Aumann:
I think it’s a great opportunity means it really helps you learn your speaking skills. It brings opportunities like this. You guys reached out to me for this podcast. I haven’t, I’ve been on maybe two to three podcasts in the last 10 years. So it brings more opportunities for you and more visibility for your business. And it also, you, you pick little things along the way. You’re not always preaching to the audience. You’re oftentimes learning things too, to help grow your business. So I definitely highly recommend agents jump on, even if they’re not comfortable speaking yet. And even if they are newer in the business and don’t feel like they have the knowledge, they can kind of hold the stage and carry a conversation because they’re new. You jump in there for a couple of weeks and listen. And before you know it you’ll be on stage and able to hold a conversation.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Do you think that the decision as this app was being created to go audio only do, what do you think of that decision? Does it hinder somehow? I mean, right now we talk so much about the importance of video and that’s a theme that comes up over and over on this show is how video can really humanize agents and establish emotional connections between content, creators, and audiences and how in a business-like real estate, video is so effective at helping just, you know, brief familiarity, and get people used to you. Audio has a really different feel. I’m super comfortable with audio. I do my podcasts in audio only. And I like that. I feel like it’s less distracting. It’s less stressful when you’re the person, you know, interviewing or the person creating content. But what’s your thought on the decision for this entire platform to be audio only?
Joy Aumann:
I found from my experience that the audio experience seems really intimate. So, when you feel like if you’re watching a video for someone like Damon John, who’s putting out a video talking about, you know, three business tips for the day or something along those lines, you don’t have the same feeling as if you’re in a room with him and he’s on stage and maybe he’s on stage with 50 other people and you’re down and you’re number 4,300. You still – he’s just right up there. I don’t know. It just gives you this like more intimate feeling that I feel like even if you were in a conference room and you had that same dynamic with multiple people on stage, and you were like way in the back of the audience, you feel like so much closer to these people when you’re, when you’re in Clubhouse. So I think that, and I don’t know if that was intentional, but that’s just my experience and how I feel when I’m in the app.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Yeah. I think there’s something about that. The intimacy of a, it’s like a radio show. Like there is something it’s very singular focused and you don’t have the distraction of the picture. And I definitely see what you’re saying there. I think that makes a lot of sense.
Joy Aumann:
Maybe because you have nothing else to look at. So, you’re just focusing on what someone’s saying and maybe that’s part of what it is too.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Also, it’s easier to tune in, I mean, the way that podcasts or satellite radio, I mean, those are platforms that I can do on the go I can do when I’m running. I can do it when I’m cooking. I did, it’s not requiring me to be looking at a screen and Clubhouse is the same. Like you can either have it on in the background or it’s, it’s demanding a little less of you. And I think therefore it’s a little easier to integrate into your daily life, maybe too, as like, uh, you know, with a newborn at home, it’s a little easier than it might be if it were a video.
Joy Aumann:
That’s for sure.
Gayle Weiswasser:
All right. This has been great. Before I let you go, I do want to ask you a question I always ask guests who come on this show, which is, can you share some apps on your phone that you’re using that our audience might not know about that you’re maybe using for productivity or relaxation or entertainment, you know, whatever jumps to mind.
Joy Aumann:
So, for productivity, I always recommend TurboScan. You can scan a piece of paper and email it as a PDF while you’re on the go. So, it really comes in handy when, you know, you need to scan something in and you can upload it to DocuSign, like right there from the kitchen counter for personal use right now, I’ve got the Snoo app it’s spelled S-N-O-O and it’s connected to the bassinet, and it’s a pretty expensive bassinet. And it’s supposed to have your baby sleep longer through the night, and we’re still kind of waiting for that magic to happen. He hits two months on Sunday, but it’s pretty cool. It tracks how many hours he’s sleeping and how, how long he cries. I mean, it’s pretty cool technology.
Gayle Weiswasser:
I’ve never heard of that. I’m a little past the newborn years. So I don’t know that one, but that’s great. All right. Well, thank you so much Joy. Tell everybody where they can find you on whatever platform you choose to have people find you on.
Joy Aumann:
So, on Clubhouse, I, um, my handle is @SanDiegoLuxury, and I’ll, I’ll give you one more tip before I leave. If you try to fit your city name and your destination, then if you do want to rank for that area, try to fit that into your handle. That’s your @, your, your name on Clubhouse still would stay the same, but you’re changing your @. And you’ll notice if you search San Diego under people that there’s no misunderstanding as to why the first few people are up on top. That’s just a little pin, but their username too. So, @SanDiegoLuxury, and then on Instagram @LuxurySoCalRealty, and I’m actually on most of our platforms, that’s my username.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Okay, great. Well thank you for coming on. I’ll link to those handles that you just listed. So, this will be in the show notes for people who want to find you, and I’ll also throw some of those Clubhouse links in there as well. So, thank you so much for taking time.
Joy Aumann:
Thank you so much Gayle. I appreciate it. Thank you. Have a great day.
Gayle Weiswasser:
Bye.
Gayle Weiswasser:
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